He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. Kelsier was kind of Ruins agent on Scadrial while he was there, even though he didnt actually have a spike. [6] He is stern and intense, but always smiling; another act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. It is presumed that this is the Sovereign of the Southerners, who saved their people, declared himself ruler, and reorganized the social hierarchy. And he had no realistic way to escape him. Personally I don't think that Ruin had left a mark. He finds Vin and Ham near the steps of Keep Venture and also learned that Dockson had died in the Battle of Luthadel. And the Lord Ruler still had a spike in his chest when he stabbed Kelsier. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. I am hope. He also knew at that point he'd been too much of a problem for the Lord Ruler. Kelsier authorizes the engagement of all agents in Elendel to help in any way possible, and has Twinsoul and Moonlight accompany Marasi to Autonomy's army from marching into Scadrial. The newly installed king of Luthadel, Elend Venture, often inquires about Kelsier's traits and skills, hoping that he can learn to lead as effectively as the Survivor once did. [45] They question him on Preservation's appearance after learning he has spoken directly with the Shard, and then continue their discussion onto other topics. . At some point, Kelsier had the Ghostbloods on Scadrial work in order to resist the oncoming threat of Trell. When Kelsier was in the Cognitive Realm after his release, he often would show up to him in order to mock him and his inability to do anything. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. Honestly, I am kinda confused as to what this theory is trying to say, and how it is relevant to current and future cosmere. Also, you talked about, as I mentioned, how you want to discuss this theory. . Be. ), but its been a hot minute since TheBands of Mourning was released. So i just finished Mistborn: Secret History and in the Postscribtum Brandon mentions that he as a very clear idea what Kelsier is doing and will be dropping hints again. I am hope. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. [8], Kelsier has a Hemalurgic spike in his right eye socket,[32] which he acquires sometime after the Catacendre. [22][23] Perhaps as a result of his egotism and arrogance, several of his plans involve setting himself up as a powerful, mysterious, or even divine figure. That is like arguing with air. This isn't really a theory, I would just like to get the ball rolling on a discussion and throw that out there. Shadows of Self begins with Wax now working in conjunction with the Elendel constabulary. The Lord Ruler was just too powerful and him trying to run would've destroyed any of the rebellion he was trying to build. HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. She agrees to join the crew in exchange for Kelsier's training. Now lets talk a bit more in depth about Kelsier, and what hes been up to. Here they are. Is Trell the true Big Bad of Era 2? It's not a sad death. They discover that theres a murderer on the looseand, even worse, Harmony contacts Wax directly to inform him that this murderer is a rogue kandra named Bleeder/Paalm whos gone mad. A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. VenDell: A kandra who often delivers messages on behalf of Harmony. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. [citation needed], To put the plan in motion, Kelsier first targeted Keep Venture, as House Venture was the currently most powerful house in Luthadel and an attack on it would have the greatest impact. If anything, I feel like Ruin would have tried to make the Lord Ruler take the bracers off. And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, soit possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike. As the Sovereign, Kelsier ruled the Southern Scadrians for a time and formed another religion that deified Metalborn, and then he left. He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. Wayne: Waxs loyal sidekick, Wayne has a tendency to borrow things and has an aversion to using guns despite his duty as a lawman. If he were a Returned, his name would likely be Lifeseeker, or something along those lines. This one is gonna be a RAFO for what his true plan is and if there is influence somewhere. A natural leader, Kelsier used his charismatic personality to draw skilled and loyal Mistings to his own crew and eventually to lead a rebel army. This severely angered Kelsier and crushed morale within his crew, making them feel that they wouldn't be needed now that the army had been slaughtered. [6], Dockson told Kelsier about a young Allomancer girl Marsh had discovered whom he suspected was a Mistborn. They called you their god, and you were casual with their faith! [54] Secretly, however, he knew that Ruin would send Marsh to intercept the message, and was hoping that reading the message would give Marsh the information he needed to remove Vin's earring, which was also a Hemalurgic spike that was keeping her from taking up Preservation's power. Before his death, Kelsier had tried to unlock the potential of the 11th metal, which was rumored to be the Lord Ruler's weakness. Does anybody find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is? He connects us to his characters. It is relevant because it has spawned 23 posts and created an interesting discussion. Dockson once again became Kelsier's organizer and right hand man. [3] He appears to be using the Ghostbloods to find a way for him to leave Scadrial and is very interested in learning from the Heralds, particularly Kalak, as they are subject to a similar restriction. Hiding you. Though he is killed by the Lord Ruler, he watches over Vin as a Cognitive Shadow. Gemmel frequently put Kelsier into life and death situations in order to push him to learn how to use his powers. He didnt say anything rude. His name and deeds passed into legend. [12] He always smiles and projects an excited and positive attitude, which is particularly unusual in the skaa underground. TenSoon learned the location of his bones from OreSeur, and used them to convince the people of Luthadel to hide in the caverns after King Penrod was corrupted by Ruin.[41]. Throughout the course of the original Mistborn trilogy, he was been working behind the scenes to try to help Vins cause. All I want is for somebody to clarify what your theory actually is. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, she was shot several times but retained a metalmind and escaped. Kelsier had lots of plans and backup plans. He met with Yeden the leader of the skaa rebellion and made Yeden hire him to bring down the Final Empire. [47] After that, he left the area of the Cognitive Realm surrounding Scadrial and moved closer to finding the Ire. It reacts explosively to water. The Lord Ruler openly thanked Mare for helping his forces find the thieves, and from this, Kelsier was led to the false conclusion that Mare had purposefully betrayed him. Even with the Eleventh Metal, Kelsier proved no match for the emperor and was quickly killed by a spear through the heart. He then asked Preservation if they are God, and after being told yes he promptly punched Preservation in the face. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. He and Steris are married. Despite her supposed betrayal, Kelsier never stopped loving her. Thankfully, a certain someone found them (see Kelsiers section below) and helped them to survive. A lawman through and through, Wax is now semi-retired as High Lord of his House. "Now, let's go jump that wall."Based on Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn novels, where Kelsier first teaches Vin about Allomancy.The boards are also available on. Although he had only come into his powers three years before the beginning of Mistborn: The Final Empire, Kelsier repeatedly demonstrates a level of skill and finesse greater than that of most other Mistborn. In this novella covering the events of the first Mistborn trilogy, Kelsier is trapped in the Well of Ascension following his death. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. Kelsier is tall and hawk-faced and has light-blonde hair and hazel eyes;[9][10] he has a multitude of scars crossing both arms from his time in the Pits of Hathsin. [14][21][27], Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! Speaking of the Set. Uncanonically, Brandon imagines Kelsier as using a Seon in a trench coat as his 'avatar'. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. The Well of Ascension: The impossible task has been accomplished. [33] As a result, he has both regular vision and the steelsight that Inquisitors used, allowing him to see via both normal light and trace metals. Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. Even if it weren't a viable metal, as a Mistborn he would have been able to burn it, and he wasn't able to sense it at all. He was dead anyways. But was that truly the end of his tale? I have to explain myself like, seventeen times. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. This was changed by Vin who fell in love with Elend Venture. Ettmetal, also known as harmonium, is the condensed elemental form of Harmonys power. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. Steris Harms Ladrian: Waxs wife and Marasis half-sister. [43], Hoid greatly disapproves of Kelsier's interference with Roshar through the Ghostbloods. It is assumed that, based on his experience as a Misting crew leader that staged increasingly daring heists, he had broken into the Ministry building of Urteau and discovered the secret in the storage cache). Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. [31] He lost these abilities in death and has not recovered them.[22]. Be aware that in its current state, it may not include all additional content yet. Marsh resents Kelsier because Kelsier had success with the skaa rebellion soon after Marsh quit being its leader. [43] He feels Ruin's presence during his time in the Well. He escapes the Well following its destruction and travels west, meeting Khriss, Nazh, and a group of Elantrians along the way. , After discovering the Eleventh Metal Kelsier started to prepare his plan by hiring the Kandra OreSeur. Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. Kelsier, sentenced to die mining the Pits of Hathsin after attempting to rob the Lord Ruler's palace, arose as a powerful Mistborn and inspired the revolution that shook the foundations of the Final Empire. When Kelsier is offered a deal by the rebel skaa Yeden to overthrow the Lord Ruler, he quickly accepts. Then he killed the noble Lord Renoux and let OreSeur impersonate him. He/she/it has kandra under their control, is either controlling or working with the Set, and is apparently planning on annihilating life on Scadrial as a whole. And for all of you who feel the theory doesnt have a point, you can just stop posting. He accomplished a lot, and died facing down the Lord Ruler himself. He justifies his behavior as faithfulness to the Survivor of Hathsin, since Kelsier himself had been known to express outright hatred for the nobility. [67] Harmony also made vague allusions to the Southern Scadrians that Kelsier once ruled as the Sovereign. Sazed, after becoming God, grants Spook the power of a Mistborn and heals him of his ultra-enhanced sense (an effect of continuously flaring tin for extended periods of time). Proceed with caution if you have not read this book. He feels guilty for abandoning her but does his best to help her. We dont haveto do this. One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. Worship Trell and wait. Nothing elsehappened in that square that really advanced his plans much. , Marsh is Kelsiers older brother. At the end of the book, Kelsier invites Marasi to join the Ghostbloods after her success in stopping Autonomy's army to which she rejects after much thought. It is there revealed that it was Kelsier's ghost who stabbed Elend at the end of Well of Ascension, not Preservation. He is the central figure of the religion known as the Church of the Survivor . He takes up the Shard of Preservation following Leras' death and sends a round-about message to Marsh in the hope that his brother will remove Vin's earring. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. You cant discuss a theory with only the people who agree with it. Kelsier would beat Kaladin in a straight fight as he is prone to using dirty tactics. When he arrived in Luthadel, he first reunited with his old partner and best friend Dockson. Dick was so focused on the rhythm of movement and moving toward the name, he almost missed the quiet sound of a cloak fluttering behind him. Though, in my opinion, I dunno if Ruin would try to forcethe Lord Ruler to kill Kelsier. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. You seem to want to shut down theories that are too complex for you to understand. If Kelsier orders a person around, it is a sign of affection. [76], I don't want to be responsible for something happening to you, Vin. Vin didn't trust him but agreed in order to learn how to use Allomancy. Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. As such, I wont be delving into every plot and character nuanceonly the ones which are likely to be relevant toThe Lost Metal. His most prominent trademark is the multitude of long scars running down his arms, a memento of time spent in the Pits of Hathsin. The spear head doesnt have to leave the body. Like all Southern Scadrians, he wears a red and black mask at all times. [24] After his death, OreSeur takes his bones and appears before several groups of skaa, making them believe that Kelsier survived somehow. Might as well use that talent for the cause of good eh? We want to discuss this theory. Most of the information in this article has been culled from The Coppermind, the definitive Sanderson knowledge base on the internet. When Kelsier became a Mistborn and returned to Luthadel, he first sought out Dockson and recruited him for his plan. It's the same power, after all. A women by the codename of Codenames Are Stupid, opens communication with the leader of the Ghostbloods by the means of a seon, which shows Kelsier on an airship travelling to Elendel. He has been described by Brandon Sanderson as a psychopath. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. His other role involved using his reputation as the Survivor of Hathsin to inspire the newly-trained skaa soldiers. Greetings, Cosmere chickens and Allomancers! In conjunction with Southern Scadrian technology, ettmetal can reproduce Allomantic or Feruchemical powers within its vicinity. Once their army was trained and the houses grew unstable enough, they would send a part of their army to attack the Pits of Hathsin, forcing the garrison of Luthadel to go and defend the Pits. I wonder if there's a way to make hemalurgy permanent. Leras is fascinated by Kelsier due to him being the first to punch him after death, and being the first to attempt to recruit him to their schemes. [78][34] At the time of meeting, he saw Kelsier as a wild card that he didn't want to deal with. Kelsier's suspicions that Vin was a Mistborn were confirmed when he saw that she was able to burn zinc. [55], After Sazed's Ascension and Spook's rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. Though Vin initially is wary and suspicious of him, she eventually learns to trust him, and he becomes somewhat of a father figure to her. Even the church of the survivor would be virtually the same. The elite of the underworld, each of whom had one of Kelsier's various abilities, were recruited. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. The man tells a villager to "survive.". There are hints throughout Era 1 that Kelsier was still around, including Sazed flat out saying that Kelsier requested Spook be made a Mistborn. Kelsier is the younger brother of Marsh, who is disappointed at Kelsier's apparent lack of direction or purpose until Kelsier leads the skaa rebellion. See the original version. He also searched far and wide for possible ways to defeat the Lord Ruler, and managed to find an ingot of the fabled Eleventh Metal (he claimed he had found it in the west, which is considered to be a lie. Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. [12], Deal with your own stupid planet, you idiot. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. Hmmm, he was flat on the ground from the Lord Rulers hit when he was stabbed. At the beginning of the novella, Kelsier is killed by the Lord Ruler, but refuses to pass on to the Beyond, and instead becomes trapped in the Cognitive Realm, between the Physical and Spiritual realm. [25], Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. The skaa react to Kelsier's death by rising up and overthrowing the city with the help of Kelsier's army. Thus he decides to go along with him out of curiosity. We want to discuss this theory. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. Although Vin assumes him to have only trained partially using each metal, Kelsier is extremely skilled at Steelpushing and Ironpulling, a skill he demonstrates when he defeats and kills the Steel Inquisitor Bendal. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). This was a character that I connected with and he showed true traits of a Robin Hood-hero. [2] He is capable of using them with a high degree of precision to control the momentum and rotation of dozens of pieces of metal simultaneously. This information has the ability to potentially ruin elements of the plot for the reader. Taken in congruence with the events of Secret History, this man appears to be Kelsier. The new skin is based on Kelsier, a central character of the series. Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? When Bleeder killed Father Bin by nailing him to a wall, it is described as a parody of the Survivor's Statemark,[60] implying that the Statemark depicts the way Kelsier died, impaled by a spear. Some of the Survivor's less pleasant traits include his ruthlessness and prejudice. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. Kelsier also convinces Breeze, Ham and Clubs to join the conspiracy by offering a share of the Lord Ruler's stash of valuable atium as loot. They were extremely successful. Allegedly dead as of the end of TheBands of Mourning, but heyits a Cosmere novel, who knows? The most notable of these is the rebel group governing Urteau,led by a man known as the Citizen. I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. However, Mare's use of Allomancy was sensed by the Steel Inquisitors (since they could pierce copperclouds), and Kelsier and Mare were captured by the Lord Ruler. A mystery, to be sure. Kelsier is described to be a middle-aged man with hawkish features and light blonde hair. lets delve into that a little more deeply, shall we? I am not trying to shut this theory down as you would say, I am trying to understand the theory, because as you said, I want to discuss it,and your post telling people who dont understand what you are saying because you are so unclear are even more uneccesary, aggressive, and frankly very rude. TLR is like the sacrifices, while Kelsier is like the Inquisitor. The two of them have a strained relationship. [71] He was hours away near Southern Scadrian when Telsin planned to send a bomb on Elendel, and tasked Moonlight, TwinSoul, and Marasi to take care of it. Whats the point? Marsh/Ironeyes/Death: Kelsier's Inquisitor brother, who possesses Hemalurgic spikes, allowing him to use the abilities of Hemalurgy. [56] He does not yet know the secret to overcome this limitation. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. Kelsier considers guns to be inelegant weapons. Even if he was though, Im kind of confused at why you think Ruin would want TLR to kill Kelsier instead of Ruin trying to have TLR kill himself somehow. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm and met Preservation. Despite his suspicion that Mare betrayed him, he decides to fulfill Mare's dream of overthrowing the Final Empire. Powers that we know of: Steelpushing (Allomantic) and Bloodmaking (Feruchemical). He is stern and intense, but always smiling; anoth er act of rebellion against the Lord Ruler's oppression. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. For more details, see our spoiler policy. I had a similar reaction to theend of Lev Grossmans The Magicians. [29] Hoid has also taken direct action against him, giving Wax an unsealed coppermind containing knowledge that he would rather keep hidden. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. Can reproduce Allomantic or Feruchemical powers within its vicinity or future Cosmere an interesting discussion delving into every and. 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