I can sort of understand lumping Moorgate services in with London Overground, but LNER to Kings Lynn has been suggested many times without any compelling reason as to why, beyond "something something intercity standard. I really quite like that now. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. I'm inclined to disagree. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. Not too dissimilar to the old Northern logo arrangement. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. [15], Originally scheduled for May 2022,[14] a shortlist consisting Birmingham, Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, Newcastle upon Tyne, and York was announced in July 2022,[16] using the following criteria: alignment with "levelling up" objectives; connected and easy to get to; opportunities for GBR; railway heritage and links to the network; value for money; and public support. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. It's the name of the island ffs. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. The Union Jack will represent. I personally like this Lion logo posted by Tim Dunn on twitter a few years ago. In May 2022, the Government announced proposed legislation to modernise rail services and improve reliability for passengers. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. One hallmark of the Governments approach to the constitutional struggle to hold the United Kingdom together has been a recognition that pro-Union policy is not simply a matter for a single department: it needs to run throughout the business of the State. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. The attachments illustrate this. I dont think we will see train liveries being changed for a while. Variants to the national brand will be developed to refect the English regions, Scotland and Wales, while emphasising that the railway is one network serving the whole of Great Britain. In 1964, as part of a plan to develop a new corporate image for British Railways, a number of experiments were tried; Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. Due to the consequent muddle of liveries, many trains began to get an untidy if not tatty appearance which added to the run-down image of the railway. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Compared to the superb branding packages of TfW and ScotRail, it does not say "come use the railway . Swiss rail. Job done. Can you only be professional if every rail person works in the same uniform? This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. It's a given that there will be brands underneath GBR - if there weren't, it would make travelling pretty complicated. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. I don't think there would ever be multiple logos for Great British Railways as you've alluded to - it would make it complicated for the end passenger. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. Also, like I said, it's possible that they legally can't call it BR. [8], Class 501 train in Rail Blue calls at Harrow and Wealdstone, Class 416 train in British Rail blue/grey livery calls at Dalston Kingsland station. Blue Pullman in grey and blue livery arriving at Bristol Temple Meads in 1973. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. [14] By 16 March (the deadline for submitting expressions of interest), 42 towns and cities had expressed an interest in hosting GBR's headquarters. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. Nothing to bring it all together. They retained this livery for some years, before being painted in Rail Blue when that became the norm. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . BRs own history says otherwise. People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding . Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. Great Britain is not a country; its a landmass. It may not display this or other websites correctly. [2] It was a dark, greyish blue tone which hid the effects of dirt well. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. Then theres the question of livery. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. British Railways (BR), which from 1965 traded as British Rail, was a state-owned company that operated most of the overground rail transport in Great Britain from 1948 to 1997. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. The x-height of the lower-case lettering should be equal to the height of the horizontal arms in the symbol, so that the row of text appears to align with them. The double arrow is still overused, though. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. How about that but the double arrow in red? The old BR liveries look dated now and have done for a while. I can only see negatives. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. don't see an issue anywhere, as long as the concessions stay branded with whatever. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. [7], Under Network Rail, all stations are formally in public hands since 2014, but only 20 (mainly large termini and central stations) are managed directly by it. It does affect other devolved rail operators, including ScotRail, Transport for Wales, London Overground, Elizabeth line (Crossrail), and Merseyrail, as well as the combined authorities that oversee other local railway networks in England. "Great" means "large", not "very good". The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. Goodbye. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Now there's a system others can look up to. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. All Class 42 "Warship" class diesels were delivered in green but some Class 52s were delivered in maroon to match the then-standard coaching stock livery. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. I suppose they are quite bland. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. . Something will need to be kept open for Open Access Operators to be distinguished. Copyright 2023 Great British Railways Transition Team. [13] Initially new locos were still painted in the traditional Rail Blue livery, but starting with Class 56 number 56084 the new Large Logo version was standard on new locos delivered to BR. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. I still think" Great British Railways" will be mostly likely be termed GBR, most of the time. Famous in York and up and down the East Coast Main Line, LNER could soon be consigned to history - again, YorkMix understands. It's not going to be called Rail England and if it was, there'd be nothing "Queen Nicola" could do about it. Heh. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; It really wouldn't. Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. For this new venture a new livery - a paler shade of blue than Rail Blue, with three stripes of white, red and grey - was created with Class 47 No.47573 The London Standard painted in the new livery specifically for the launch ceremony. [11][12], The location for GBR's headquarters is currently being determined. Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy It's good work (and the previous set). Because it's not going to be the same as BR. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. Given that the vast majority of passengers dont really care what the brand is, do GBR really need a brand? The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. it remains to be seen if their just gonna bite the bullet and conform the entirety of rolling stock on the GBR network to a nice Blue and Cream livery. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. JavaScript is disabled. "Image of No.47163 with Silver Jubilee Union Jack", History of Blood and Custard (Crimson Lake & Cream) Livery, Information on Freight Locomotive Liveries & logos, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_corporate_liveries&oldid=1136093401, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2014, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Creating a separate thread for this as it's quite a big topic, potentially. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. True. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. And why call it G-BR if it's nothing like BR? Class 01 01002 inside Holyhead Breakwater shed in early black livery. I suspect not many. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked . GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. The standard livery for most British Railways steam locomotives was black, often with a thin red, cream and grey "lining" (trim), while express passenger locomotives were not painted "Brunswick Green" (Which was the former colour of the Great Western Railway) as is often stated, but were painted in British Standards: BS224 "Deep Bronze Green" also known as "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green LR001" with orange and black lining. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). I would rather that operations were branded similar to how they are now, but with a few changes compared with the existing TOC areas as follows: Chiltern Railways renamed as Chiltern & Oxbridge, with brand used on all planned EWR services in addition to those from London Marylebone. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. London Midland (pre LNR), that was white on black but the same idea. 19th September, 2019. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. For example, GBR will apparently inherit from Network Rail the duty to run and plan the network, as well as providing online tickets, information and compensation for passengers nationwide. This opens up the possibility of a national ticketing app, with the Great British Railways branding. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. It does look better than red. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. In 1977 two Class 47 locomotives, 47163 and 47164, were painted by Stratford TMD with silver roofs and other decorations including a full body height Union Flag on each side, in celebration of Queen Elizabeth II's silver jubilee. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. Or the awful corporate blue BR? Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. At the formation of British Railways on 1 January 1948, early diesel and electric locos and the gas turbine locomotives 18000 and 18100 were already painted black with aluminium trim, but by the late 1950s this had been superseded by the same shade of green that was used on express passenger steam locomotives, although some locomotives were painted in a two-tone Brunswick and Sherwood green livery, and Southern Region electric locomotives were painted a light shade of malachite green. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. But Beatties second charge is more interesting. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. They were repainted into blue/grey in the early 1970s. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Correct. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. Boris Johnson has announced that Britain is to have a new public rail operator, Great British Railways (GBR), in the biggest shake-up of the country's trains since privatisation a quarter. It looks like BR. This idea often seems to pop its head up. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. Launched as the London & South East Sector "Express Livery" this was a short-lived scheme which appeared on a limited amount of units and routes before the advent of Network SouthEast's "toothpaste" red white and blue striped livery. GBR will be modelled on the operations of Transport for London, which contracts services on systems such as London Overground. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. You are using an out of date browser. No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. 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