There, at the insistence of Aunt Rosamund, Edith placed her child informally not legally with some very nice Swiss people, apparently, but she almost immediately began having second thoughts. Pretend a different storyline, in which Robert has an heir, a married son. I guess she may not technically be a Lady's Maid but a "maid who does buttons and hooks". Hers, too, it seemed. Only married women have lady's maids. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The newly pregnant Lady Grantham slips on a bar of soap, falling onto the bathroom tiles and inducing a miscarriage. How dare she feel jealousy for her chilly older sister? Dashing away with a soothing iron, indeed. There doesnt always appear to be a firm rule among this group except in the way they address the butler, housekeeper and cook and vice versa. June Thomas: Chaps, will you join me in my campaign for justice for Lady Edith? Or did he give up Lord Downtown to become Lord Gratham when his father died? The fear you hear in Aileens story is similar to Ediths fear that Mary will learn the truth about her illegitimate child, Marigold, and shame her mercilessly. 1 level 1 [deleted] Editors note: For the benefit of American readers who havent yet seen Season 3 of Downton Abbey, please do your best to avoid spoilers when commenting. Or, are some, unfortunately, born with no decency? I understand that they are called Lord and Lady Grantham, I just dont understand why they go by Violets last name. When they visited the possible future Downton Place, I got a bit excited, because for me the issue undercutting this whole plot point about whether the family might lose Downton Abbey is that of course the television program is called Downton Abbey. I dont know any of this for certain but this is what I believe to be the case. As both are the daughters of an Earl, they use the title Lady in front of their names. The Earl of Grantham is a peer and the eldest son of the Earl of Grantham would be styled Viscount Downton, however the Viscount Downton wouldnt be a peer as he is using the title by right of his father, who actually is the title holder. Or would only one daughter inherit the title? It's hard out there for Lady Edith Crawley. The Grantham household is in turmoil. Gladys Denker is a maid to the Dowager Countess. Downton Abbey invests a lot of time and effort in convincing us that John Bates, Lord Grantham's trusty, is a great guydespite his checkered past and multiple murder allegations. For an in-universe explanation, how about Edith was really looking forward to some quiet moments with Anna, even though Anna would be dividing her time with taking care of Mary. (A mean thing to do, Edith. The social limitations on and the punishing of the Crawley daughters have always been central themes of Downton consider Mary's scandal with her literal death bed (the bed of death! Spinsters do get up for breakfast, but they should fix their hair. I dont know why this is so but it is the tradition. I have asked for all seasons of Downton Abbey for Christmas, but I have seen the second season, where there were THREE daughters of Lord and Lady Grantham. 1,804, This story has been shared 1,592 times. Other than at last finding Edith a suitable match, and either freeing or killing off Bates, remind me what were waiting on at this point? Beautiful, stylish, haughty, powerful Mary should really be secure enough in her own identity that she doesnt need to diminish poor struggling Edith in order to confirm her superiority, yet she does and has continually done so during the five seasons of Downton Abbey. Since abbey means place that nuns or monks used to live, was the Downton house supposed to be a former monastary or nunnery? So Edith gave her lady's maid time off for the duration of Edith's trip to Downton. 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The main question I have coming out of this episode: Whats left to resolve? 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Crawley is the familys surname, Grantham is their title. and our But since shes a marchioness she would be expected to have a ladys maid to show her status and power. IN some cases there are indeed titles that pass through the maternal line such is the case of Mountbatten of Burma Louis Mountbatten having no sons, his eldest daughter is recognized as Countess Mountbatten of Burma in the letters patent. Theres damage being done here! Mary, who has men falling all over her, has provided an heir to continue the Grantham line and enjoys the services of a high profile ladys maid, Anna (does Edith do up her buttons herself?) She found her literal voice. She is just a plain miss. Violet remains the Dowager Countess of Grantham. If Robert had a second title, the son would be known as Viscount Downton. And yet, when Fellowes was interviewed about Edith, he claims that nothing could be further from the truth. It would, however, be incorrect to refer to Lady Grantham as Lady Cora. Slate is published by The Slate Group, a Graham Holdings Company. Only the Dukes present wife could be known as the Duchess of Argyll. Edith (played superbly by Laura Carmichael) has always been the quiet rebel in the family--unlike the sprightly Lady Rose who was ready to marry a black man, partly to shock her mother--and we have been waiting for this all along since Lady Edith began her relationship with a married editor, Michael. Hello, 18,354, This story has been shared 11,875 times. The eldest son of a titled person (peer) usually uses his fathers second highest title as his own. Also, one senses that perhaps Edith, who kept her daughter for a few months for the sake of the breastfeeding and therefore had likely formed a fairly fully developed bond with her, would rather she weren't quite so far away, and perhaps were even somewhere that Edith might occasionally see her. Peers typically use their title as a surname when they need one though legally their surname would remain as their family name. Mary will only gain a title if she marries a person with a title. This episode left me fuming. In Downton Abbey 2019, this caused a problem as King George wanted to send Bertie overseas, which would mean missing his own child's birth. Then, she found a sympathetic editor who soon became her lover. A peer only ever uses their most senior title. But isnt it wild to think of Carson and Cora having an affair? I like british title system. Ms. Jenny, The family would call them by their first name if it were known to them or perhaps nothing at all. Edith's full title is The Most Honourable Lady Edith Pelham, Marchioness of Hexham (and any other subsidiary titles Bertie has). Its almost as if Downton Abbeys creator and head writer, Julian Fellowes has it out for poor Lady Edith. Hes the downstairs Edith. And shed have retreated to a wing, and maybe only occupied the whole house during the winters. The family of a Lord of the Manor have no courtesy titles, so their daughters would remain as is a Lordship of the Manor can be left to anyone and is transferred just like any other type of property and can be left in a will. 'Yellowstone' Return Date Info, Meghan McCain Calls Out Former 'View' Coworker Joy Behar for Her "Evil" East Palestine Comments, Where Is Hoda Kotb? In season 3, Lady Mary claims to have undergone a small operation that will help her start a family with Matthew. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. It would be incorrect to refer to him as Lord Robert, however. Some Redditors believe Bates is just a remorseless serial killer, pointing to his intense hatred of his first wife and creepy vibes as evidence. When they travel to another household with their Lord/Lady, the servants are addressed using the title of their Lord/Lady, (e.g., Mr. Bates would be addressed as Mr. Grantham). Anna and Baxter are Lady's Maids, Mrs Hughes is the housekeeper. What We Know About Her Continued 'Today Show' Absence, Drew Barrymore and Ross Mathews Disgusted After Guy Fieri Feeds Them Spray Cheese on 'The Drew Barrymore Show', 'Jeopardy!' But Lady Mary has taken over when the series ends, and Fellowes believes shed find savvy ways to keep her familys home in their hands. Maybethere is a silver lining to all of Edithsheartache. It could also explain why Edith looks (and behaves) so different from her sisters. The staff among themselves follow a hierarchy depending on their position in the household and their personal relationship with each other. Takedown request | View complete answer on downtonabbey.fandom.com. How dare Edith exist for something other than marriage? Lord Granthams wife, Cora Crawley (played by Elizabeth McGovern) is known asLady Grantham. She can raise her daughter in peace, write popular novels that satirize upper crust customs, and live a life out of Lady Marys all-too-perfect shadow. Hi James & Royal Central: Or at least, thats the official story. I explore that reality in my book, My Sister, My Self: The Surprising Ways That Being an Older, Middle, Younger, or Twin Shaped Your Life. But because Edith is Edith, he dumped her at the altar . Why does this happen to Edith? I, toosomewhat uncharitably, I realizecracked up when the ceremony only got as far as Dearly beloved, we are gathered. (This is the second consecutive Downton reception weve been cheated out of. However I like the titles of earl countess baron baroness sir lady. But because Edith is Edith, he dumped her at the altar in front of her horrified family, humiliating her in front of the very people who already felt sorry for her and considered her a lost cause who would be better off as the spinster they expected her to become than as the wife of this older disabled veteran (and shame on them, by the way). The new husband is required to take the family name in order to receive his father-in-laws title. One younger sister who participated in the study, Aileen, told about her relationship with Dinah, three years older. I dont remember Annas position prior to her being a ladys maid but she was known to the family and staff as Anna and they appeared to wish to continue to call her Anna after she became a ladys maid if there was not any objection. She would probably have opened the house to the public in the 1960s, as so many of them did, Fellowes told Deadline. Maybe you get acreage, but no title as a peer. This theory all comes down to eyes. HM The Queen isnt making pin money by selling titles. As debunkers have noted, two blue-eyed people can have a brown-eyed child, because recessive genes arent that simple. Marys happiness seems to be the only thing that matters in this household. Laura Carmichael as Lady Edith, whose rather appalling luck seems destined to follow her. Lady Mary and Lady Edith have never been on the best terms. He swore his love to Edith, but nobody else believed he was the dead wealthy cousin he said he was and he bailed out as quickly as a writer who suddenly realizes he has no idea where this plotline is going. Also, at what age do they stop calling George Master George and start calling him Mister? Anna had better watch out. Robert Crawley is addressed asLord Grantham by equals and asYour LordshiporMiLord by servants. Mary will not have a title unless she marries a person of title. I sorta left some parts out: they get an official ladys maid when theyre married or reach a certain age. I still stick with my original theory-that her lady's maid isn't a full-time one like Anna, but that a housemaid might help her or she shares Bertie's mother's lady's maid. Why didnt the guards search his person when it wasnt in his bed as theyd expected? A difficult year for Albert and Charlene finally winds to an end, The Duchess of Cambridge wows TV audiences with a musical piano performance on Christmas Eve, The princess whose royal wedding had to wait until the heir to the throne had married, The life, scandals and loves of Princess Margaret, Princess Margaret's fashion favourite: Christian Dior, How Princess Margaret made a poignant nod to her late father, King George VI, on her wedding day. I interviewed over 400 women, teens, and girls about their sister relationships, and heard many stories of how damaging the constant day-to-day abuse can be to the recipients self-esteem. In order to divorce his wife, he went off to Germany (as you do in the years following World War I, if you have a taste for adventure), where he disappeared. (I will admit that I skipped some of the middle of this season, while Edith was getting herself into all this mess, and was interested to see her right back in the thick of misery when I returned. This is perhaps most easily understood through eye color, where brown eye color, a dominant gene, is expressed as BB and blue eye color, a recessive gene, is expressed as bb. Maybe Edith's lady's maid is new and she doesn't quite trust her to do her best when she's going to be seeing the King and Queen. But honestly I am not at all worried about the future. You must not have watched the entire series thus far, or you would know why Sybil was not mentioned. The kitchen maids wondered why she was so tired looking, she was reminded of her missing/presumed dead lover, she had to pretend to not care about her secret bastard daughter (whose name is Marigold for some reason), and she almost burned down the entire house after she drunkenly threw a book into the fire. If Matthew had become Earl, what would Isobel, his mother, be? Most of the other underdogs on Downton Abbey eventually get their due. There is also Violet Crawley (played by Maggie Smith) who is Lord Granthams mother and the wife of the previous Lord Grantham. This line really embodies the cruelty that Mary expresses towards Edith on a daily basis. The detection and treatment of breast cancer circa 1920 is rather a gloomy subject even for a show that leaves lovely ladies at the altar for laughs. Sure, Mary endures tragedy, but Mary is also wealthy, chic, and constantly pursued by scores of handsome suitors. Or at least, Edith did. English actor Laura Carmichael doesn't have a problem with that. This theory all comes down to . I have a question: under what circumstances is it correct to address someone with the title Lord/Lady and his/her first name? Georges mother, now Lady Mary, does not hold a title. The son of a valet would not have any titles, nor would anyone care what he was called. He is the son of the late heir, Matthew Crawley, distant cousin to Lord Grantham, and Lady Mary. Is vulgarity something that one cultivates? Stevenson: I cant seem to work up much excitement over Thomas and OBriens endless Spy vs. Spy battle. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. All rights reserved. Titles do not necessarily have any connection to the location of the owner of a title. What is the grandson called? And when she actually met someone who liked her, he was driven off by Mary, who was angry at Edith for revealing that Mary's romantic activities were so amazing that they killed a Turkish guy. Where does Grantham come from? The son moves up to the earldom, his wife becomes the Countess of Grantham. Both Lord and Lady Grantham have blue eyes, but their eldest daughter, Mary, has brown eyes. Robert and Cora were devastated over the loss of their youngest daughter. As you may recall from science class, certain genes are dominant and others are recessive. She won't be content to let other people tell her that she can't be an unwed. Apologies for posting to such an old thread, but thought I might help other confused Americans find your comment when googling, since the show is still well-known even though its finished airing. Embodies the cruelty that Mary expresses towards Edith on a bar of soap, onto! 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