Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Divide & conquer. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. By the time most of them have and Springfield Arms starts looking for a new home, they wont be welcome there. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Its called doing business. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. Well do our part in other states to support you. Its a freakin disaster. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Black Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Brake Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751B; Rock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Flat Dark Earth (FDE) Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Br Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751T; If discounted to $0, maybe. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. The CMMG MkW-15 XBE Anvil gets the top pick for enthusiasts that handload or shoot a lot. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Brownells, Midway, Primary arms, Rainer, Wing Tactical, and SG Ammo are my favorite online retailers. I agree. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. Oh, hell no, he told me. I read somewhere that there is a city named Springfield in almost every state in the Union. Under no circumstances would they sell me any magazines. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. Ive refused to buy S&W products since then, with the sole exception of a Model 640 Pro .357 Magnum, which lacks the damned thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. An XD and its in .40? Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. Layoffs to follow. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? This is income tax refund time. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Henry and Ruger for the win. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Good luck with that RRA. Overall, this is a good, solid rifle. Have you not been following this story? The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. The Henry ri fle was made by the New Haven Ar ms Company. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. We need more FFLs down here so there will be some competition. AR-15 Parts. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? Taurus? Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Some times they have deals. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. And now a sell out. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. That will never happen now. Most dont buy a gun thinking about selling it down the road, bit it happens. ! mantra. Well, said. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Thanks a bunch pricks! As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. Better sell that RRA while you still can. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. No sane company would move in to Illinois unless it was to curry political favor in Chicago as Boeing moving their HQ (no production) did. Sure enough, the bill passed theSenate by a single vote. Totally revitalized the economy of an American community with their 3rd plant. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Customer service beyond any reproach. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Sadly I have two. Its GENESEO and its still about 3 hours from Chicago. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Pick something and follow it. Your Price: $744.13. Those bastards. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. They ignored it. The original company lives on today under the name Winche ster. While it was a great pistol, the front strap checkering was just way too aggressive for bare hands. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. I bought my first Rock Not now. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. 3) Lobbyist got paid by someone else to convince his clients this was a slick deal. Both are were on their way to selling over a quarter million of Springfield product this year. Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! they should have fought not laid over. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Colona, IL (May 2020) Rock River Arms, one of the industry leaders in AR-platform firearms, expands its line of defensive semi-autos with the introduction of the RRAGE 10.5-inch pistol. It washis lobbyist whostood aside on a bill that rations everyday Illinoisans to nine firearm transfers per year. To whom will they sell? Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Good for them, too. AND started planning to move out of the state. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. No more. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. As if they want to implode. Or in the General Assembly. Accurate and precise for Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. All evidence to the contrary? When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Its their prerogative. thats what matter and they put that last. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Only Ruger has in the past few years regularly donated millions to the NRA. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. I checked my order history. All have been accurate and reliable. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). Initially I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after I thought about Reeses statement, and now that Ive seen Larsons statement, I would have liked to see hecklers run Springfields employees right out of Atlanta. As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. WARNING: The products offered for sale on this website can expose you to chemicals which are known to the State There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. Up yours Springfield! Well, not basically, they did. We are not obligated to honor a price that is in print or an error. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. As far as Im concerned, Smith and Wesson are still shit given they operate in communist MA and they should have packed up an left after what that bitch Maura Healey did last year. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). Theyre both stuck now. Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. No offense intended. You probably also found out that at least bizapedia reports that the IFMA was dissolved. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you So, S and W are also dead to me. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. SA created it). When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. They must be put out of business for their treachery. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. In the world of .308 Win. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. I bought 6 smith & wessons before I ever knew about the incident. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Bill Ruger retired from the company in 2000 and died in 2002. The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. PERIOD. That is sooo repetitious! For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Thats how capitalism works. Sorry for the spelling error. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. 3/18/2013. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. it The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Never, ever. Out of stock Compare. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. The company is based in Genesco Illinois, near Chicago. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! 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